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Old 12-02-2017, 03:51 PM
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Lees Ferry Action Alert


Please spread the word on these meetings. We need as many people at each meeting as possible. We'll be coming back soon to ask for you to submit written comments by Jan 5th.

The National Park Service is holding Public Scoping Meetings for a Non Native Aquatic Species Management Plan Environmental Assessment (EA) that includes elements having a potentially damaging impact on the Lees Ferry trout fishery and the business and guide services dependent on that fishery. The Public Meetings are your opportunity to become informed on the Plan, ask questions, and voice concerns you may have. The Public Open House Meeting Locations and Dates are:

December 6, 2017
6:00‐8:30 pm MST
Public Open House
Glen Canyon Headquarters
691 Scenic View Drive
Page, AZ 86040

December 7, 2017
6:00-8:30 pm MST
Public Open House
Flagstaff Aquaplex
1702 N Fourth Street
Flagstaff, AZ 86004

December 12, 2017
6:00-8:30 pm MST
Public Open House
Game & Fish Department
Quail Room
5000 W. Carefree Highway
Phoenix, AZ 85086

The Park Service is proposing a wide range of controls and fishing regulation changes to provide tools for controlling or eradicating non native species that may pose a threat to native aquatic species. With the exception of mechanical removal of brown trout in Lees Ferry/Glen Canyon the proposed tools would not impact the trout fishery.

The EA proposes mechanical removal in Lees Ferry/ Glen Canyon with “long‐term intensive and repeated electrofishing “. Collateral damage to the rainbow trout fishery from mechanical removal electrofishing on a massive scale will be unavoidable. Rainbow trout not removed at the time of brown trout removal will be intensely and repeatedly shocked as the electrofishing process progresses along the river and continues over recurring lengthy periods of time. Surviving rainbow trout, while recovering, would be unfishable for extended periods.

The increase in brown trout in recent years in Lees Ferry/Glen Canyon, though small in numbers, has raised concerns, particularly with the appearance of young of year brown trout, an indicator of spawning occurring. To address these concerns a brown trout workshop was convened bringing qualified researchers together to consider the root causes for the change in brown trout numbers and evaluate the effectiveness of possible responses to manage that increase. The final reviewed report from the workshop will not be available until early next year. The Park Service has chosen to go ahead without the information to be gained from the work shop report and is proposing brown trout mechanical removal without considering and addressing the causes for the change in brown trout numbers in an approach that assures perpetual treatment with no cure. Coincidentally in workshop and outside discussions fishery research scientists have expressed doubts that mechanical removal would be effective for the purposes intended in the EA. Further the EA’s intent is to protect native fish yet only removal of brown trout from Lees Ferry/Glen Canyon is proposed while leaving untouched the trout population in the sixty miles of river in Marble Canyon between Lees Ferry and the Colorado River where native fish first significantly appear.

Your participation in one of the Public Scoping Meetings will affirm angler support, demonstrate the importance of the Lees Ferry trout fishery, and provide direction to the Park Service for acceptable alternatives in the EA.

The full EA scoping letter is available at:
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:18 AM
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It appears as if they are using the rainbow trout fishery conservation to pander to the fly fishers to try and get the support for this ridiculous agenda.

Mechanical concussion devices, pumps (to lower water temps), barriers, weirs, black plastic coverings (to raise water temps), dewatering, rotenone, pesticides.

The epitome of using the spider to catch the fly.

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Old 12-03-2017, 11:41 AM
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I am not familiar with Lees Ferry. It is my non-professional opinion the public hearings won't change a thing. The plan will go through regardless of how many hearings there are. They are doing them because it's a requirement.

It is like the Colorado Two Forks Dam. There were public hearings which meant nothing because the regional EPA director (and the final approval for the dam) stated he would approve it. The hearings were held, the director was ready to sign but at the last moment, the head of the EPA in Warshington overrode the regional director. Badda Bing, Badda Boom - end of project.

We were lucky. I never did learn why this happened. The scuttlebutt was, president George Herbert Walker Bush told the EPA to kill the project. Works for me.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:00 AM
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In the past, the public meetings on other proposed projects and plans have been successful in raising awareness of and bringing out a lot of facts, opinions and dialogue that may have helped shape the final outcomes on proposed projects.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:41 PM
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Such a shame
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:17 AM
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My first experience with the Grand Canyon was in 1996. My grandparents took my whole family on a trip down-river for 7 days, it was glorious.

On the trip the raft-guides encouraged us to urinate in the river. to my 18-year old sensibilities, this seemed a little off. I asked, and the guide replied that all of our collective bladders wouldn't make a remote impact on the volume of water that flows through the canyon every second, let alone daily, monthly, etc.

I feel that G&F/NPS/Whoever fails to grasp this concept. Whatever they take out will be inconsequential to what is left in. This just seems like a losing battle, like shoveling sh*t against the tide, its always coming back in.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:09 PM
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from what I read here is that they (AZ state) want to remove brown trout but keep the native rainbow??? (sarcasm)
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Old 12-14-2017, 03:03 PM
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I wasn't able to attend the meeting in Phoenix. Is there a procedure for submitting written comments to express one's views on this EA?
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Old 12-14-2017, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KellyC View Post
I wasn't able to attend the meeting in Phoenix. Is there a procedure for submitting written comments to express one's views on this EA?
Kelly. I'll be putting up something tomorrow regarding our position and how and where to submit comments.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:18 PM
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It's intriguing to me to think that this same agency the (N.P.S.) is okay with brown trout in numerous bodies of waters throughout Yellowstone are okay with brownies mucking out native Yellowstone cutties. But yet In the Grand Canyon they are treated like terrorists trying to make their way through JFK airport sh!^ pisses me off. I'm no fish biologist but Fu%# man these NPS guys need to chill.

Viva la Salmo Trutta !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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