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Old 04-24-2008, 03:05 PM
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Fanatic, what are you doing up at 3:53 in the freakin' AM?

I shouldn't talk, that's usually about the time I get up to head into the store.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:05 AM
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Make sure if you fish infected water, don't take to other places that are not infected, be sure to wash off your equipment......

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Old 07-03-2009, 01:10 PM
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Bleach does the trick with your gear, not sure about used flies, you can't put bleach on them. Other countries are real strict when bringing over your own gear. New Zealand I think is the hardest you pretty much have to send your stuff over a month ahead of time. Iceland you need a cert from a vet that your equipment has been disinfected. May be that traveling fisherman are bringing in the disease in which case it will be hard to control. On the brighter side some of the rivers in Montana had it and after a few years the bows came back and seemed to be larger in size. I don't know if there is a time span when the disease will "wash away"?
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:03 AM
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Some are of the opinion that to let Whirling disease take it's course it may ultimately be better for the river. It only affects rainbows, and the rainbows that don't get it produce offspring that are immune to the disease. Many rivers that were attacked were caught up in debate as to what to do and as a result - doing nothing turned out to be the best option. I am not agreeing with doing nothing but it certainly belongs in the debate.
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Old 01-09-2010, 02:14 PM
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I wonder if the "chubs" are happy to hear this news???
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:17 AM
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I fished the Ferry back in March and saw the signs about Whirling Disease. The sign posted said you could use bleach as well as 409. I rinsed the mud off my boots and waders and then soaked them with 409, let them sit for 30 min. then rinsed them off. Good to go!
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:57 PM
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stop the spread

Great ideas out there and awareness is key. Now after talking with the head fisheries Biologist in Colorado recently, seems we have more new invasive species to worry about. Whirling is a huge issue but it appears there's more nasties showing up to deal with...not good.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:20 PM
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It is what it is. The world is getting smaller and "things" are being tranpsorted around the world. Even if we try our best, things will still show up in different places. The creatures that evolve will survive.
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:29 AM
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The answer to WD may be the DeSmet Rainbow Trout which is responsible for the recovery of the Madison River. 95% of the Rainbows in the Madison were resistant to WD in 2009.

Vincent was Montana Fish Biologist responsible for turning the Madsion River into an all natural reproduction River in 1974 and he is credited with saving Montana's wild fish.

Vincent, now retired, was the whirling disease coordinator at the Montana Dept of Fish, Wildlife and Parks.

See Vincent's explanation of how the Madison River recovered from WD and how he was the original biologist who saved the DeSmet Rainbow from extinction in the Intermountain West. And read carefully why he urges caution and further study before stocking these fish in other watersheds.

"It's truly remarkable," said Vincent. "A decade ago, whirling disease had wiped out 90 percent of the Madison's rainbow trout. Today, we have a population that's highly resistant and bouncing back quite nicely." Vincent is recently retired from his longtime post of whirling disease coordinator at the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks. Never in his wildest dreams did he imagine that before he stepped down he'd see Madison River rainbow populations at 70 percent of their historic numbers....

Vincent was an FWP biologist back in 1991 when he first noticed that the Madison's young rainbow trout seemed to be dying off. He scratched his head a bit, nursed some quiet suspicions, kept careful track of the numbers.

But years passed, and it wasn't until 1994 when he finally put a name to the problem - whirling disease. That's what they called it down in Colorado, where rainbows and other salmonid fish were circling the evolutionary drain....

Rainbow trout are not native to Montana. They came from California, a century ago and more, sloshing along the rails in water-filled milk jugs. At the time, a rainbow was a rainbow was a rainbow, despite the fact that distinct sub-species came from distinct watersheds.

One of those coastal watersheds - no one now knows which one - provided the rainbow trout that arrived at Wyoming's DeSmet Reservoir, out near Sheridan, back in the early 1890s.

Eventually Wyoming's fishery biologists killed off the DeSmet strain, in favor of a rainbow easier to catch, but not before **** Vincent got his hands on a few.

In 1977, Vincent trucked a load of Wyoming's DeSmet rainbows into Montana's Willow Creek Reservoir, near the tiny town of Harrison. That was long before the disease, and Vincent just wanted some good sport fish for the lake.

But the whirling disease parasite eventually arrived at the reservoir, too, "and it did wreak a bit of havoc, but not nearly as much as we expected."

That's because 30 percent of those wild DeSmet rainbows tested naturally resistant to the parasite. Everywhere else - including the Madison - only 1 percent of fish showed any resistance; which is why, in some Colorado rivers, some 98 percent of rainbows have been wiped out by whirling disease.

Today - what with the California roots lost to history and the Wyoming fish killed off - Montana remains the last known home of DeSmet rainbows. They persist only in Willow Creek Reservoir, and in a single high-mountain wilderness lake - and in both places they have proved highly resistant to whirling disease, killing the parasite before it burrows through the skin.

And although he has no definite proof as yet, Vincent is convinced their genetic heritage survives in one other river - the Madison. Perhaps, he said, they arrived by way of Hebgen or Ennis lakes, where a few Harrison fish were later stocked.

"Personally," he said, "I'm pretty sure some of those DeSmet fish escaped from Harrison and ended up in the Madison. Then evolution went to work, and selected out the ones that can handle the disease."

At Willow Creek Reservoir, where a solid DeSmet population initially proved 30 percent resistant, many rainbows died. But those that survived passed their resistance on to their offspring, and now some 98 percent have resistance.

Down in the Madison, where only a few escaped DeSmet fish are thought to have lived among other rainbows, just 1 percent of the fishery showed initial resistance. The fishery collapsed, with whirling disease claiming all but 10 percent of the river's rainbows. But again, with the presumed help of a few DeSmet genes, the survivors passed on their good fortune and now 95 percent test resistant.

"They're very well recovered from the darkest depths of the whirling disease," Vincent said. "The Madison is a surprising success story."

It is, he said, the only Western river known to have recovered on its own.

Vincent has tried to track the genetic history of those DeSmet rainbows, hoping to unlock the clues of disease resistance, but historic records are incomplete at best. He's not sure where in California they came from, for instance, or even if they survive there today.

"It's a real puzzle, actually."

He's also not sure how the DeSmet rainbows will fare in the long run, as they obviously are not evolved for the particulars of the Madison. How will they deal with seasonal water level changes, for instance, or warm water flows?

"That's one area we'll need to look at," he said. "Just who are these new Madison River rainbows? Because genetically, they sure aren't the same fish that were there 20 years ago. There's been a genetic bottleneck. Will evolution iron things out? I guess only time will tell."

That's why he's still advising caution, before biologists rush out to stock Montana streams with Harrison's DeSmet fish. Down in Colorado, and in Utah, where whirling disease has hit so hard, they've already started introducing Harrison's fish in hopes of also introducing parasite resistance.

In Montana, however, "it's not that bad, yet," Vincent said. "We know we have the stock, and we know it's not going anywhere, so let's not be hasty. Let's do some basic research before we go moving fish around willy-nilly."

After all, he said, it was moving species around that got us into this mess in the first place.

"The Madison is coming back," Vincent said. "Let's see how that turns out over time, before we take any drastic steps."


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Old 03-24-2016, 01:33 PM
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This article states that Westslope Cutthroats are entering the Madison again like they did prior to Lewis and Clark.
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