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Old 07-14-2016, 04:18 PM
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Blackened snake guides

I'm currently making a bamboo fly rod that along with a birch bark grip also gets blackened snake guides. With much trial and error I've found that stainless steel or chromed store bought snake guides will not accept any chemicals to blacken them. That leaves me to order black chrome or painted guides and I don't like the look of either. After thinking about it I figured that if I can split, glue, and make bamboo fly rods I should be able to make the snake guides also. I started measuring the wire gauges, barrels, and feet of commercially available guides. I then started researching the materials and the hardness of the snake guide wires along with their acceptability to blackening in a chemical bath. What I found is non-coated nickel silver or bronze wire in round half hard works the best. An added benefit when making your own is you can make the traditional right twist for American guides or left twist for English guides. The guides are twisted in a jig while the guide feet are pressed on an arbor press. Guide feet are then polished with Dremal polishing wheels and then put in a chemical bath to blacken. I will be sticking to this new skill learned and doubt I'll be buying anymore "store bought" snake guides.
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Old 07-14-2016, 04:42 PM
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Nice work - I'm pretty sure I got some nickel guides years back and blued them, but probably not the same thing.
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Old 07-14-2016, 07:05 PM
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Nice, love to see some when you're done!
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:42 AM
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Speaking from far out in left field, I ponder if PlastiDip would work? It's basically a plastic spray paint which should (by definition) resist grabbing the line as it runs through the guide.

But then again, I do not possess the skill and knowledge set which you currently possess.

Just an errant thought which crossed both hemispheres this morning.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:05 AM
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Speaking from far out in left field, I ponder if PlastiDip would work? It's basically a plastic spray paint which should (by definition) resist grabbing the line as it runs through the guide.

But then again, I do not possess the skill and knowledge set which you currently possess.

Just an errant thought which crossed both hemispheres this morning.
An interesting thought Vaughn... I wonder what the weight of the PlastiDip would do to the action of the rod... I would guess probably nothing on the butt section but I would also guess that the further towards the tip you got the more it would affect the "feel" of the rod due to the increase in weight of the PlastiDip towards the tip. I know that if I over or under plane a section by a few thousandths on a butt section you don't notice it. If on the other hand I do the same on a tip section it changes the whole feel of the rod. I do like solving puzzles though.

Speaking of which after I finish the current rod the next rod(s) are a matched set of rods made from the same culm of bamboo and using the same taper. Both rods will be built at the same time and with the same steps. They will be heat treated, planed, and glued as twins. One will be the traditional hex 6 strip rod the other a 5 strip penta rod. The goal is to make the two rods as close to the same as possible so that I can try and get a really good "feel" for the difference between the two styles of rods. Just adds to the reasons I like making rods.
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Old 07-15-2016, 01:17 PM
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What did you use to bend the wire on the snake guides?
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:08 PM
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Nice work! You are truely building a rod from scratch! Now you need to learn how to spin your own thread.... Haha!
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:32 PM
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Nice work! You are truely building a rod from scratch! Now you need to learn how to spin your own thread.... Haha!
Funny SAT... I'm dreading the next skills I'll need... Making ferrules. I need to master those skills for the penta rods ferrules with 5 tabs vice the 6 on a normal set of ferrules. Not something I'm looking forward to.
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