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freddieflyfish 12-23-2012 02:37 PM

CK baitfish
 
Are there other ways for tying this bait fish besides the streamer brush at 5:32 of this video? I want to tie some of these for Salt Rocky Point and Baja. I tried one the other day with rabbit and didn't really like the way it floated. I can create a streamer brush with mono and semiseal and super glue. Is that what you would suggest? easier the better for me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TPbJMlUAts

JasonJones 12-23-2012 02:42 PM

Fine wire instead of mono.... 32g or similar

freddieflyfish 12-23-2012 02:47 PM

Then do you just glue the wire? Do you spin it after the glue? Do I have to create one of those streamer brush holders?

JasonJones 12-23-2012 02:51 PM

You can just use your vise or get creative with a drill. A little glue keeps it in place while you spin it up.

If you plan on doing these often, I'd make a tray, but for a few, just wing it.

There are a few videos on YouTube that show how to make them too...

MudBug 12-23-2012 04:05 PM

Here is how you can do it with a rotary vise. LINK

Here's how if you wanna go big LINK

freddieflyfish 12-23-2012 04:48 PM

ok cool.. Thanks. I didn't know it was called the dubbing brush and was looking up streamer brush and all I was getting was....where to purchase the pre-made ones. I knew I had seen the press like the one in the second video. thanks again....helps a lot! If I get one that turns out decent I'll post it.

Mr Blur 12-23-2012 05:16 PM

simple tool to make great dubbing brushes.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8...f27d24be_z.jpg

lostdutchman 12-23-2012 06:01 PM

i do it w/ craft fur for bigger streamers.. just lay it in a dubbing loop and twist..

WILDWILLY 12-23-2012 06:01 PM

Kirk Dietrich does a good job of demonstrating the Faux Fox dubbing brush. Another good tutorial for you would be to go to http://www.cascadecrest.com and see Pat Dunlap do them.
The wire they are using is .004" stainless and work for everything. .006" stainless is available but too stiff and bulky for most Trout flies. Fine copper wire will work but has a tendency to break occasionally somewhere in the middle of the brush.
Cascade Crest and Hareline Dubbing has the wire, so your local shops can get it for you.
These powered dubbing brush machines make brushes 24" long.
Rebuilt mine this fall and cut it down from 48" to 24". Looks just like Kirks and Pats. Much easier to work with.
If you are into painting Bass poppers check out Kirk Deitrich on Utube.
For just a few brushes it is very easy to make them using any fly tying vise.

MudBug 12-23-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WILDWILLY (Post 138456)
Kirk Dietrich does a good job of demonstrating the Faux Fox dubbing brush. Another good tutorial for you would be to go to http://www.cascadecrest.com and see Pat Dunlap do them.
The wire they are using is .004" stainless and work for everything. .006" stainless is available but too stiff and bulky for most Trout flies. Fine copper wire will work but has a tendency to break occasionally somewhere in the middle of the brush.
Casdade Crest and Hareline Dubbing has the wire, so your local shops can get it for you.
These powered dubbing brush machines make brushes 24" long.
Rebuilt mine this fall and cut it down from 48" to 24". Looks just like Kirks and Pats. Much easier to work with.
If you are into painting Bass poppers check out Kirk Deitrich on Utube.
For just a few brushes it is very easy to make them using any fly tying vise.


I subscribed to his channel a few weeks ago because he ties a few redfish flies I'm interested in.

WILDWILLY 12-23-2012 07:10 PM

Mudbug....if you have an interest in Redfish flies check out

Willy the Pimp (no relation to me) at http://www.ssflies.com

I will be fishing in LA in Feb. At first I did not believe what they were throwing at some of the big bulls...... 6" flies ???

MudBug 12-23-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILDWILLY (Post 138476)
Mudbug....if you have an interest in Redfish flies check out

Willy the Pimp (no relation to me) at http://www.ssflies.com

I will be fishing in LA in Feb. At first I did not believe what they were throwing at some of the big bulls...... 6" flies ???


Thank you for the info.

Trout_kid_21 12-23-2012 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Blur (Post 138449)
simple tool to make great dubbing brushes.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8...f27d24be_z.jpg

Blur, did you make that? All the stuff you make with wood is amazing!

freddieflyfish 12-23-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostdutchman (Post 138455)
i do it w/ craft fur for bigger streamers.. just lay it in a dubbing loop and twist..

that is what i was going to use

lostdutchman 12-24-2012 03:13 PM

Then youll be fine . it works Great just use a long dubbing loop. lay in tuerto craft fur twist and palmer . dont worry about cleaning out the under fur. it adds some body and fuzz. i lay in the fur at about the 2/3 of the length so i can get some length as well as bulk...

mannychee 12-24-2012 10:03 PM

It can be as easy as going to bass pro, they carry "baitfish emulator" by hairline dubbin, I usually have to trim it down for the right size of shad patterns... Or like mentioned by lostdutchman, craft fur looks really good with more bulk, not so transparent. I cut the material into a slim strip and Palmer it up the shank....here's a few pics of how I use these two materials for this type of application...
http://www.mannycheeoutdoors.com/swi...-fly-for-bass/

WILDWILLY 12-25-2012 09:26 AM

Another similar product is Body Fur
http://www.cascadecrest.com
Do a search on the home page for "cct body fur"

freddieflyfish 12-27-2012 12:06 AM

I found this the other day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEtmu3naQk

and this machine looked the easiest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWYQi1p4CU

freddieflyfish 12-28-2012 12:23 AM

Ok here is my fist CK Baitfish

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps38b8f887.jpg

Another look

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps842214b5.jpg

I need to clean up the nose with some clear cure.

Here is the easy cheap dubbing brush maker (suggested by Jason)

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2564b782.jpg

and just for fun; here is my (Kirk's) DIY buggar box.. (Clouser and Salt box for me) total cost for the box 8$

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...psd71bcdbe.jpg

I need to make my dubbing brushes with more bulk.

Any advice from the peanut gallery would be appreciated. Please don't say it will catch fish though. (translated...your fly sucks!!)

When I get a really good one I will post it again. I'm going to try deer hair too...not sure if that works on a brush or not.

freddieflyfish 12-28-2012 12:52 AM

This is the pattern that I used for the foam.

http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2e621f4d.jpg

Mudbug....you should do a Salt fly exchange!!!!

MudBug 12-28-2012 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by freddieflyfish (Post 138816)
Mudbug....you should do a Salt fly exchange!!!!


Even on a large forum like NAFF Saltwater Swaps only draw about 6 people.

I'll think about it.

lostdutchman 12-28-2012 08:45 AM

saltwate5/ pike swap.. since... the pike flies alot of us tie are just adaptations of salt flies..

freddieflyfish 12-28-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostdutchman (Post 138821)
saltwate5/ pike swap.. since... the pike flies alot of us tie are just adaptations of salt flies..

yea and same with bass flies

MudBug 12-28-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostdutchman (Post 138821)
saltwate5/ pike swap.. since... the pike flies alot of us tie are just adaptations of salt flies..


How about a general "Large Predator Streamer" Swap?

Salt, Pike/Muskie, Bass.

If it was just a Salt Water Swap that would include stuff like bonefish and redfish flies which aren't generally considered pike/bass flies like mylar spoons and the hundreds of crazy charlie variations.

freddieflyfish 12-28-2012 11:01 AM

yea. Put me in but i dunno what I'm tying

Super fly 12-28-2012 12:31 PM

I would do it.


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