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Hooty 11-09-2017 12:41 PM

Sighter Leader vs. Suspension Indicator
 
Been researching Euro Style nymphing utilizing a “sighter” leader vs. a suspension indicator. For smaller water, seems like the sighter would be a great option. However, does anyone have experience with this technique at Lees Ferry?

JS92 11-10-2017 06:13 PM

My experience has been that using a sighter for smaller water is the way to go. My catch rate is higher then with an indicator. However, it seems to be the opposite with bigger water and my catch rate is better with an indicator.

I am sure there will be different opinions on this and experience to back it up. I am curious myself to see the responses.

RBFisher 12-19-2017 09:51 AM

My experience has been the same - I do better on small water with a sighter and the indicator seems to work best on bigger water. That being said, I'm not the best at Euro Nymphing and have seen a couple of guys who really know what they're doing just kill it on big water using a sighter

risenfly 12-19-2017 02:55 PM

I think it also depends on the type of water you're fishing. Sighters and euronymphing in general work best in faster pocket water. A floating indicator can be taken so many ways in water like that and cause drag. If you have a steady medium to slow flowing section of stream then the floating indicator seems to work really well in those situations.

kad1979 12-20-2017 10:29 PM

I am of no help...as I frequently fish using an indicator only to watch it become fully submerged and then float again. At that point I ponder why I didn't set the hook... Drives me NUTS!

almostlost 12-21-2017 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kad1979 (Post 171285)
I am of no help...as I frequently fish using an indicator only to watch it become fully submerged and then float again. At that point I ponder why I didn't set the hook... Drives me NUTS!

Truth.

Baiter 12-22-2017 05:11 PM

I dabbled in this a bit this summer when I was traveling out of state. I also went to an on river seminar with Lance Egan who is on the US fly fishing team. I think it is a great tool and will probably buy a 10 or 11 foot rod just for Euro nymphing. I believe using a sighter is superior for me out to about 30 feet with my 9 foot rod Beyond that I need a bobber. Hope to extend that to 35+ with a euro rod / line. The other scenario that Euro nymphing does not shine is windy conditions.

I would suggest you buy yourself a Christmas present and watch Modern Nymphing. You can buy it for $20 on Vimeo and watch it over and over. You will learn a lot in a relatively short amount of time. https://vimeo.com/ondemand/modernnymphing The first time I tried it I was fishing a very heavily fished area I had caught a few little guys and was starting to get the hang of it. A group just showed up and started fishing below me and I hooked a 20" brown that thought he was a rainbow and put on a good aerial show. I admit I enjoyed showing off a bit more than I should of.

Good Luck
Dan

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/modernnymphing

aztightlines 12-22-2017 07:17 PM

I cast a 10' 3 wt Echo european-style rod of a friend's and was impressed.

Did not fish it, but it cast well and seemed like a good tool for upstream nymphing.

Baiter 12-23-2017 09:05 PM

Here is an article by Lance http://www.flyfisherman.com/how-to/f...ms-and-rivers/. On the subject at hand

Silver Creek 12-24-2017 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baiter (Post 171293)
I dabbled in this a bit this summer when I was traveling out of state. I also went to an on river seminar with Lance Egan who is on the US fly fishing team. I think it is a great tool and will probably buy a 10 or 11 foot rod just for Euro nymphing. I believe using a sighter is superior for me out to about 30 feet with my 9 foot rod Beyond that I need a bobber. Hope to extend that to 35+ with a euro rod / line. The other scenario that Euro nymphing does not shine is windy conditions.

I would suggest you buy yourself a Christmas present and watch Modern Nymphing. You can buy it for $20 on Vimeo and watch it over and over. You will learn a lot in a relatively short amount of time. https://vimeo.com/ondemand/modernnymphing The first time I tried it I was fishing a very heavily fished area I had caught a few little guys and was starting to get the hang of it. A group just showed up and started fishing below me and I hooked a 20" brown that thought he was a rainbow and put on a good aerial show. I admit I enjoyed showing off a bit more than I should of.

Good Luck
Dan

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/modernnymphing

They are producing a second video and the first video can be had for 20% off by watching this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pv8z8auko...01%20Final.mp4

There is a 20% off code at the end. It is really a great video.

aztightlines 01-05-2018 10:46 AM

Mentioned my interest in the czech/european style nymphing rod to my friend, who bought it a few years ago...and he came by yesterday and gave it me - said he never fished it.

It is an Echo Shadow PE, 10' 3 wt, 4 pc, can't wait to try it. Might be OK from a float tube as well.

mvtoro 01-05-2018 02:00 PM

Lance is a buddy of mine. He cleans house on rivers. I've also fished with Devin Olsen and even helped George Daniel teach a class on "dynamic nymphing". These guys would all catch more fish than most of us just because they're super fishy guys. So that always made me wonder how much to invest in these techniques. Are they really much more effective, or are they effective because the best fishermen I know use them?

The other thing is, they are limited in what they can do by international rules. That makes me think that some facets of these techniques are not necessarily more effective, but just what is required. I finally just asked Lance if he had no restrictions, would he still use Euro-style nymphing. He said emphatically that it was more effective and so he would. That convinced me to try it more earnestly.

I actually made my own sighter out of blaze orange dacron backing so I could try it that day. I fished a pretty small stream behind two other great fishermen. I let them fish each hole first, but even taking their seconds I caught more than both combined by using a Czech nymphing style. Converted.

I still wonder and haven't gotten the full story of how they would adjust these techniques with no limitations. How would they incorporate split shot etc. I asked Devin to add this to his next book. George Daniel teaches almost the same set up, but using split shot at the bottom of the rig almost like a bounce rig, but with a sighter instead of a suspension indicator. Very effective. Lets you use any fly of any weight as well because the split shot will get it down for you.

I believe in getting really good at as many techniques as possible. Then you can take pieces of whatever you need for whatever circumstance you find yourself. Euro nymphing is definitely worth learning.


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